404 jeffery vs 458 win mag

Those ballistics are VERY impressive, to state the obvious in the least possible definition of it. Dangerous gamethose two words pique my curiosity like a kitten at the sight of a laser-pointer. While our modern bullet construction has lessened that requirement, the premium bullets of traditional weight extend the performance of these cartridges. But even with the 350-grain Woodleigh Weldcores, the .375 H&H doesnt quite hit as hard as the .40s do. One of the most popular match calibers, the 6,5mm bullet has excellent aerodynamic properties and good sectional density which give it good ballistic potential. Mag..375 H&H.375 Whelan Imp..378 Weatherby.375-.404 Express.404 Jeffery.405 Winchester.416-.284.416 Taylor.416 Rem. Based on a shortened, blown-out, straight taper, .375 H&H Belted Magnum case, the .458 Winchester is designed for magazine rifles with standard (.30-06) length actions. I was fortunate to secure, at a very reasonable price, a very late .404. An elephant wont be concerned about anything more than the fact that a bullet has passed through his/her brain. How so? According to the best evidence available, it was released in 1905, and although the .416 got the glory, the .404 did the work. I feel it was too light by 2 lbs and kicked like mule. It's got the history and all the oomph one could ever need. This was also my thoughts as a younger man. Merely said, the Norma Ladedaten 300 Win Mag Pdf is universally compatible in imitation of any devices to read. Get a closer look at the Davidson's Weatherby Vanguard Cipher, the latest addition to our #SundayGunday series. Simply put: The 410-grain bullet of nominal diameter at 2,370 fps (modern loads use a 400-grain bullet at 2,350 or 2,400 fps) offered more than 5,000 ft-lb of muzzle energyand virtually unequaled penetrationdue to the high sectional density. Lots of classic rounds but something is missing. The rounds for these modern day elephant slayers are. Modern hunters have forgotten how to stalk their prey. of energy. Trigger two-stage trigger, adjustable, 0,9 kg - 2,5 kg Barrel length 16,5" (419 mm) 20" (508 mm) 24" (609 . .40-Caliber Cartridges: Marvelously In The Middle Big Bores, Fading Away? [3] Giant Killers: .45-Caliber Rifle Cartridges, https://www.garrettcartridges.com/penetration.html, https://www.garrettcartridges.com/modern4570.html. Because of the length of the cartridge3.75 inchesit requires a magnum-length receiver. Taylor KO, .404 Jeffery 400gr 2500 fps .321 5550 60.4, 450gr 2300 fps .359 5285 62.5, .458 Win Mag 500gr 2260 fps .341 5670 74, 550gr 2150 fps .375 5645 77.4, 600gr 2050 fps .409 5598 80.5. In its blackpowder guise this threw a 325grain lead bullet at 1900fps. Mag..416 Rigby.416 Wby. And when a client shows up in camp with a .404 Jeffery, you know this is someone who cares enough about said history and traditions to go to the immense trouble of building and loading a gun and cartridge long sacrificed to the gods of mass production and commercialism. Measuring the diameters of expansion maybe able to provide more insight to this discussion? Dangerous game demands specialized cartridges with lots of stopping power and that are capable of penetrating thick hides. The Jeffery case could be crammed into a .375-length action. The Firearms Industry is 2/3 B.S. And since the .404 Jeff is a longer bottle-neck case, it burns a larger dose of slower burning power to achieve about 76% of the ballistics of my .458 Win Mag! The Lott also has another really cool feature: Because the .458 Lott is nothing more (and nothing less) than an elongated .458 Winchester case, any .458 Lott rifle can and will shoot factory .458 Winchester Magnum ammunition without issue. It seems getting hold of the 404 Jeffery `s .423 " expanded soft nose bullet and a .458" expanded soft nose bullet may share some light on this discussion? Or, a traditionally loaded 535gr solid at 2450 fps (7130 ft-lbs). It remains a popular choice to this day, with factory ammunition readily available, and many great double rifles being produced annually in this caliber. This proprietary cartridge duplicates the performance of the .404 Jeffery. In my hunting world Ive discovered that larger-diameter, well-constructed bullets work better. And, in comparison to the .375s and 9.3mms, the bullet weight (along with correlative energy) of these lower .40s makes a definite difference when it comes to penetration. Use any of the high weight retaining bullets we have available now and I'd guess you'd not see measurable difference. Actual bullet diameter was .423-inch, already established in Europe as the 10.75mm. Jeffery with a Mauser bolt.It was a favorite of my father, the Raja of Maksudpur amongst a large array and he gifted it to me when I left High School at age 17. But that sounds like a good enough educated guess. The design used a severely rebated rim in order to use the standard .473-inch bolt face of the 98 Mauser, as well as the stripper clips to facilitate fast reloading. and is also known as .404 Rimless Nitro Express. Recoil for both the 9.3x62 and .404 Jeffery are noticeably less than the .458 Win. Using a rimless case of similar design, but changing the bullet diameter from .411" to .423", the .404 Jeffery was born. Comparing those numbers with my personal .458 Win Mag, the .458 has a distinct advantage. performance moved to standardized status in 1999. Nevertheless, rest assured that the .416 Ruger brings the goods. Stopping power with its usually intended meaning is a myth. Yes, the .404 is a gentleman of the old school and welcome in discerning company. Any .45-Bore, 10-pound rifle with 3-pound trigger. "Mit Scharnier" MTM RLLD-50er Patronenbox fr .300/.458 Win Mag/.444 Marlin u.v.m grn/schwarz 8,50 . You have entered an incorrect email address! The design is certainly sound: In both factory ammunition and handloaded stuff, Ive seen nothing but good results from the .416 Ruger. The original .404 Rimless Nitro Express used a 400-grain .423-inch bullet at 2,150 fps and was not only effective on all gameincluding elephant and rhinobut was also very easy to shoot well. Being a rimmed case, it doesnt translate well to a bolt-action gun, but in a single-shot or double its a true classic. Having laid bare my soul on these matters, I could further speculate that one might simply choose a modern 12-gauge with rifled tube and accomplish the same things using saboted copper slugs of 400grsbut I wont. The CZ 600 Trail proved to be a handy rifle that can down game in hard-to-find places, all without alerting everything with fur that you have moved into the woods. It remains a great choice for a light-recoiling double-rifle cartridge capable of handling all game, including elephant. was the first American big bore cartridge designed for African dangerous game hunting. The first is the case capacity. With a slight shoulder of 8-30, the Jeffery case feeds like it was greased, and was an undeniable blend of striking power and low recoil. With the exception of those whove handloaded the Rigby case to the red zone, the Remington variant will match the performance of the older cartridge. For those hunters who want to approach the energy figures of the .45-calibers, but who still want a trajectory that can make the longer shots, the Rigby is a good choice. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum (7mm RUM). While I think the ship has sailed, theres nothing wrong with using a .400 H&H for all dangerous-game hunting. (6989 ft-lbs). And the .458 Win Mag is enough when measured by any sane set of criteria. So also, the 550gr in .458 was an educated guess until I ran the ballisticswhich confirmed it. of energy. Having killed, what, 1000 elephants and countless other game, he had a better handle on what worked and when to take those shots than the blow hard keyboard warrior that kills a deer or two per year. In addition to all that, rifles for the .458 WM are not hard to come by. Components are precision machined from billet aluminum and protected with Cerakote. Jack Lott, a veteran African hunter, had experienced those issues I outlined regarding the .458 Winchester MagnumIve heard the story of how he was nearly killedand decided to fix the issue. There are bullets for these cartridges ranging from 300 to 450 grains. Yet, pushing a 400-grain bullet to 2,375 fps is a recipe thatll most certainly have great success in the field. The 410-grain .425 Westley Richards bulletthe largesthas an SD of .310. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. Mag. vs. 3,732 ft-lb), the heavier bullet weight of the .450-400 gives it an advantage in the field. Made for African DG and plains game, it worked pushing a 300gr in the neighborhood of 2600 fps and a Kynoch solid of 400grs at somewhere around 2100 and change (about the same as my Marlin in .45-70, except that that bullet was very strong and capable for anything up to and including elephant!). And although the volume of the .40-caliber's case is more than is probably needed with our modern powders, the pressures are lowand that isnt a bad thing. Capacity: 5 round internal magazine Fire Modes: Single shot (bolt action) The Brno ZKK-600 can be seen in the following: Film. Mag..458 . Any bullet type, any bullet weight, barrel twist to match bullet as needed. ago. The 400-grain .416-inch bullet has a sectional density of 0.330, and that plays a big part in the penetration for which it is so famous. The casebeing cut downdidnt have the capacity to get those big bullets moving at the advertised speed. Description: SAKO Safari A IV .338 Win Mag. It reaches 3,250 fps with a 180-grain bullet and a 26-inch barrel. While its rather obvious that the .505 isnt a long-range rifle, it has what it takes when the distances are measured in feet, not in yards. So, while both of these cartridges have a rather impeccable reputation, which one makes a better choice for the dangerous game hunter? You take a liking to this guy immediately.. Magazine 4 round AICS pattern magazine Barrel Matchgrade hunting barrel with muzzle threat M15x1 Caliber . How do I know its .1%? The .404 Jeffery was designed to duplicate .450/.400 ballistics in a bolt-action rifle. While its paper ballistics indicate that the .375 H&H 300-grain load has more energy (4,263 ft-lb. Both came on to the scene before the World War I, when the smokeless powder revolution had changed the course of cartridge development. 2 will gain ground over the next decade. Save my name and email to use for future comments. Its lighter chamberings make it easy for recoil-shy shooters to field and makes it ideal for target work, too. Mine looks like 4.4 on my non digital calipers. My first rifle was an original 404 by W.J. Mind you, the recipe is a familiar one: 500-grain bullet at 2,150 fps, but with a bit more frontal diameter and yet enough sectional density to penetrate even the honeycombed bone of an elephant skull. To date, we've had a short overview of the following big-bore cartridges, and the machinery that fires them, in comparison to my favorite Big Bore, the .458 Winchester Magnum: .404 Jeffery; .416 Rigby; .500 NE; .458 Lott; .416 Weatherby Magnum; .505 Gibbs; .460 Weatherby Magnum and, last week, the .470 NE. Maybe even more important the moderate velocity makes the . when I hold it right. Roosevelt used this .40-caliber on lions and other game on his 19091910 safari and obviously lived to tell the tale, but Im of the opinion that there are much better choices. BP or smokeless, it's all good. I absolutely love this cartridge; its sloping shoulder allows the cartridges to feed as smooth as silk, and the versatility of the loads will let it purr like a kitten or roar like a lion. F5MFG MP5 50 round drum mag . Email When Available 470 NE: 500 Email When Available 505 GIBBS: 570 Email When Available 500 NE: 570 Email When Available 500 JEFFERY . I am selling because my situation has changed and won't be range shooting in the foreseeable future due to travel. Mag..375 Dakota.375 Ack. 1's are well known for their phenomenal accuracy and essentially fail-proof design. Thats one in 1000! The premium 300-grainers and the Woodleigh 350-grain bullets in the Norma African PH line of ammo will get the job done. Nah! Not surprisingly, as it uses heavy bullets with a moderate velocity resulting in a well-controlled expansion and a very good penetration - the time proven recipe of an efficient killer. I took a huge-bodied Zimbabwe bull elephant with my .404 Jeffery, giving complete penetration and exiting on two body shots. Now offered at an even lower price! As is typical, there are exceptions to every rule, nevertheless the rule holds true.As for the .404 Jeffrey, she's a gem, no doubt about it! Its as simple as that! In the same year Westley Richards introduced the .425 Westley Richards cartridge. It is accurate, as hard-hitting as the Rigby, and the recoil is noticeably less than the Rigby case. In 1911, Londons John Rigby & Co. released what would become one of their most famous proprietary cartridges: the .416 Rigby. After all, the .450 Nitro Express set the benchmark for dangerous-game cartridgesbut their trajectories give up a considerable amount to those lower .40s. The 3-inch variant has been the most popular with many new double rifles, as well as the Ruger No. When a client shows up in camp with a .458 Win Mag, you know that most likely the only experience the hunter has had is reading the pages of Outdoor Life magazine, probably 30-year-old editions. Given the option I'd take the .404 over the .458, any day. Maybe thats giving too much credit I dunno. My own favorite handloads drive the 400-grain bullets at 2280 fps, mainly because thats where I found the best accuracy; my Heym Express .404 Jeffery will put three shots into 0.75-inch at 100 yards. 6,5 - 284 Norma. As you know by now, if youve been following these blogs, my own .458 Winchester is also a CZ 550 Magnum, not made in the USA but in the Czech Republic. .405 Winchester .450-400 3-Inch Nitro Express .400 H&H Magnum .416 Rigby .416 Remington Magnum .416 Weatherby Magnum .416 Ruger .416 Taylor .500-416 Nitro Express .404 Jeffery .425 Westley Richards. Launching a 300-grain, .411-inch-diameter bullet at 2,200 fps for slightly more than 3,200 ft-lb of muzzle energy, the .405 Winchester is definitely light, especially in comparison to the .375 H&H with heavy bullets. Mag. .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards.358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum.22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift.270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM.26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum.458 Win. Modern steel has resulted in a more potent, modern load: a 400-grain bullet at 2,350 fps, putting todays .404 Jeffery in the same league as the .416s. That load has taken elephant, buffalo and a good number of species of plains game. Ill spare you that endurance test! S.D. The .416 Rigby is a flat-shooter, yet it hits like a freight train. Bell also stalked in close for those ideal shots through the ear and into the brain with those small bore rifles, when game is relatively calm, not charging and shots are up close and certain. Just dont go on the forums boasting on its superiority over the .458 Win Mag, cause it just aint so! Small world - yes it is indeed sn 1200 - purchased it cheaply so no dramas on that - but will pass it to a gunsmith before it leaves England - big question does it shoot accurately. Now the hunt is more important to me than the shot. The Safari Classics line from CZ-USA features the CZ single set trigger system set up to your specifications, matte or gloss blue finish on metal parts, #1 Fancy grade American Walnut stock with dual crossbolts and straight comb, glass . . So which are the best dangerous game cartridges of all time? 6,5 Carcano. I dont think the modern Jeffery loadthe 400-grain bullet at 2350 fpsgives up much to the Rigby, though the higher sectional density of the Rigby bullet might influence a choice, but the greater frontal diameter.423-inch v. .416-inchmight offset that concept. World's most popular community & resource for hunting in Africa since 2007. Can't argue with the experience of Clayton. Its recoil, while higher than that of the .375 H&H, is manageable in a well-fitting rifle. Theres no word on pressure but I suspect its right up there with any modern rifle cartridge designed for Africas grumpiest! Today, if I were to go to Africa I would take a .416 and a .300 Wichester magnum for plains game. The big Gibbs case will need 130 to 145 grains of powder to push those huge bullets, and it pushes the big 570- and 600-grain slugs to 2,100 fps, for just under 5,900 ft.-lbs. Some feel that the initial loadings of the .404 Jefferythe 400-grain/2150 fps comboare a bit anemic, but for over a century it has worked and worked well. Both kill very well, both have proven to be very accurate (I have sub-MOA loads for both) and both are wonderfully nostalgic. A wildcat based on the .458 Winchester Magnum and necked down to hold .416-inch bullets, the .416 Taylor is a solid design. It's a bigger piston, therefore more energy gets transferred to the projectile (not to mention that the twist rate is generally less, a not insignificant distinction as better than 25% of the energy released via combustion is consumed in bringing the bullet up to rotational speedthis is why ultra-velocity projects, wherein one is trying to attain the greatest projectile velocity possible, always involve non-rifled boressome of these get surprisingly close to the gas velocity, which is on the order of 7,000 fpswhich is why muzzle brakes can be so effective (F=ma -> consumed powder in the form of a gas escaping the muzzle at around 7,000 fps)). Looking to enhance your effectiveness in the turkey woods this season? Jeffery & Co. in 1905 and nearly disappeared over time,. I used this excellent cartridge for a handsome Cape buffalo in Mozambique. battle of the big boresthe .458 Win Mag advantagepart 10. Jeffery introduced their .404 in 1909. This puts it in the same league as the .416 Rigby, Remington and Ruger. The .458 Winchester was born, claiming to drive a 510-grain bullet at 2,150 fps from the muzzle of the Model 70. 6,5 x 55 SE. This formulawell, actually a 400-grain 416 bullet at 2400 fpswould go on to become an undeniable classic, with the .416 Hoffman and .416 Remington Magnum replicating the recipe, albeit at a higher pressure. The huge case was designed to give positive extraction to matter how hot the temperatures got (cordite, the common propellant in 1911, was extremely temperature sensitive), and the 400-grain soft points and solids, pushed at 2,400 fps, made for a great combination, and it still does today. If its affordability and availability that concerns you, the .416 Remington might be the best value. of energy at the muzzle, but the main selling point of the .375 is the versatility. That 500gr load IS actual from my CZ at SAAMI COL. However, the .40s arent exactly married to the 400-grain bulletalthough its the most popular. Before we get too deep into other details, keep in mind (from previous blogs) our system of scoring: There are 10 criteria with a value of 10 points each that makes a possible 100. I wouldnt find fault with a hunter for choosing one way or the other, so Ill settle the argument with my own personal decision: I own two .404 Jeffery riflesa Heym Express and a Bansner Customand I dont own a .416 Rigby. The 400-grain bullet for the .450-400 3-inchthe smallest diameter of the lothas a sectional density of .340. So, my reckoning is largely rooted in a love for the .45-70 to begin with, and then wanting one in a bolt action! Eight major concealed carry insurance programs are now available to the millions of Americans who carry concealed. Its a big bottle-necked, rimless case designed for magnum Mauser bolt-actions. of energy at the muzzle. It may not display this or other websites correctly. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The .458 Winchester Magnum Remember I told you that supplies of ammunition for the British cartridges dried up in the 50s? spectrum of usefulness=1 (due to very limited bullets & rifles). The rifle has a weight of about 4.3kg and a standard barrel length of 61 cm. They provide adequate velocity, reasonable trajectories, and great killing power for their intended classes of game. However, the .416 Taylor (developed in the 1970s by Bob Chatfield-Taylor) will come close to the Rigby benchmark, driving a 400-grain bullet to 2,350 fps. To solve the problem, and gobble up a huge share of the market, Winchester developed a cartridge that would mimic the ballistics of the .450 NE, but in a bolt-action rifle of American make, which would be both affordable and available. I have no problem shooting Hornady factory 300 gr loads through it, despite the fact that it is a shorter barrel and weighs less than 7 lbs without a scope. I would stick with a PH who shows better judgement. This fact, along with the many different versions made, makes the No. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. Im going to Alaska in Sept. for bear, and am taking both my .416 Ruger (scoped) and my G&H custom BA in .35 Whelen.. Save my name and email to use for future comments. Ruger added the .416 Ruger in 2009, and that venerable old wildcat, the .416 Taylor, was standardized in 2011. Compared to the venerable .450-400 3-inch NE, it has a definite advantage in terminal ballistics and an increase in recoil. In 1909 William Jeffery introduced the .404 Jeffery, a 400-grain bullet of .423-inch diameter. Their designation uses the smaller land (rather than groove or bullet) diameter. of energy. There have been many designs over the years. In the late 1990s, A-Square joined SAAMI, and a number of its dangerous-game cartridges became standardized. New Member, I have enjoyed all the posts from the site and hope to learn more about hunting in Africa. The 2300 fps for the 450gr in .423 is realistic (according to my computer program). I have used a Winchester Model 70 in .416 Rem. Original loads were: a 400-gr. Photo Gallery If you are one of the few owners and shooters of the Jeffery, I wish you nothing but success and happiness. Among the diverse selection of Nitro Express cartridges that came along to replace the .450 NEthe .475 NE, the .475 No. The John Rigby design from 1898 uses a 480-grain bullet at 2,150 fps for just under 5,000 ft.-lbs. The .300 Winchester has a case length of 2.62 inchescompared to the earlier Winchester Magnum's 2.500-inch lengthand an overall length of 3.340 inches. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It was chambered in Vickers rifles, and was issued to the game scouts of Rhodesia, Tanganyika and Uganda for dangerous game control work. The load and bullet were revised, and things were set right; however, I feel that there are still flaws in the .458 Winchester. For mine in practical terms results are very similar as far as the rounds go. 6,5 Jap. Starting with the least potent of the lot, the .405 Winchester is a straight-walled cartridge released in the Model 1895 Winchester lever-action rifle. An American Professional Hunter named George Hoffman mated the .416-inch bullets of the Rigby with the case of the .375 H&H; the result was the .416 Hoffman, and it was and still is a good cartridge. Ive seen its effects first-hand, and it is a true stopping rifle. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. bullet at 2125 f.p.s. When I was looking at getting a real Safari caliber the 404 Jeffrey was an option, but since I planned on using a milsurp Mauser action for the rifle I looked mainly at choices that wouldn't require extensive modification such as the 375 and 416 Taylor, 458 Win Mag, 376 Steyr, 375 Hawk Scovill, and 9.3x62. "A buffalo could probably be taken with a well placed frozen herring but, the question is: "What's the point"?" It can be produced in an affordable rifle, and ammunition and component brass is much more affordable than the Rigby stuff. Federal and Ruger helped make the cartridge and rifle available, when both announced that ammunition from Federal would feed the new Ruger Safari Magnum, chambered in .416 Rigby in 1989. DoubleTap has offered factory ammo for it in the past, but it remains a handloaded proposition. Some feel that the initial loadings of the .404 Jeffery the 400-grain/2150 fps comboare a bit anemic, but for over a century it has worked and worked well. Remington model 700 PCR 5L in 308 Winchester. And a 550gr for the .458WM is obtainable from the same source. Based on the belted .375 H&H case, using an 8-degree shoulder and the .411-inch-diameter bullets of the .450-400, the .400 H&H hasnt really caught on. There are good, modern loads available from Hornady, using the DGX and DGS bullets, and plenty of good brass for the handloader. Those are, for the uninformed, .510 bullets (soft or solid) of 570grs at approximately 2350 fps! Comparing these two bullet diameters is like comparing big truck engines : the saying " There's nothing like cubic inches " comes to mind. Here are some performance figures for modern .458 Win Mag factory ammunition. I feel that somewhere in the middle lies the best balance of trajectory, striking power and ease of shootingthose lower .40-caliber cartridges. The .458 Winchester was born, claiming to drive a 510-grain bullet at 2,150 fps from the muzzle of the Model 70. It was a particular favorite of Theodore Roosevelt, who dubbed it his medicine gun for lions. 6.5 mm Caliber. Mag. Fired only 20-30 rounds to sight in at the range. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. ), and only one was a hunter, and I doubt he was even aware of the .458 Win Mag! And I also ran the ballistics (computer) on the 600gr and it comes out nearly identical to Barnes in their #3 manual. In addition if I remember correctly the NRA had an independent test run on the velocities of the 458 Win in 1956 which verified the original 2150fps ballistics with 510 gr bullets with the original 25 bbl. Joseph Lang took the .500 Nitroa beast of a cartridgeand necked it down to hold 0.475-inch bullets, and the .470 Nitro Express was born. Introduced in 1956 in the Winchester Model 70 African rifle, the .458 Win. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. The old .40-caliber cartridge (released in 1902) was used by Jim Corbett for tiger and leopards in India, as did John Pondoro Taylor in Africa. The overall length is about 114 cm. I fitted it with a Redfield peep site and find that it shoots with great accuracy and with enough power to knock an animal so hard that it dies before it hits the ground . With .360 Buckhammer rolling out nationwide, Henry is bringing its first rifles chambered for the new caliber to market with the Henry Steel Lever Action in .360 Buckhammerand theHenry Lever Action X Model in .360 Buckhammer. I normally use solids but have used softs and both do the job well. Instead of simply maintaining the .410-inch diameter bullet of the .450/400, the .404 Jeffery utilized a .423-inch diameter bullet of 400 grains, at the same muzzle velocity of 2150 fps, generating 4,100 ft.-lbs. The model PCR is renowned for its out of the box accuracy due to the 5-land barrel, which Remington found too expensive to continue producing in its line range, rather than the usual 4 . of energy, with a larger frontal diameter. Available in .375 H&H, .416 Remington Magnum, and .458 Winchester Magnum, the Model 70 Safari Express is a fine representation of what many expect in a dangerous game rifle. Winchester The .458 Win. Muz. Rigby has recently announced the release of the .416 Rigby No. M77 Timeline. When a client shows up with a double rifle, you know you have an elitist for a customer, much like the guy coming down the charter boat dock at the marina carrying a fly rod, and you approach him with caution. More important is the rifle they are chambered in. Its somewhat akin to owning a 500 hp sport-coup and being limited to 120 kph/75 mph on a super highway. And, my calculator tells me no lies! That said, you cant go wrong with either. Ive settled on a score of 60 as minimum for any rifle-cartridge combo to be included in my locker, or even on my wish list! I am considering a a build for a 404 jeffery and am having a devil of a time getting a definitive answer as to what actions would be ready-candidate for conversion to a 404. It looked good on paper, but there were immediate problems. Im a bit late this week because of involvement in a deer hunt; so lets get to it! The .375 Holland & Holland Belted Magnum The Three-Seven-Five is undoubtedly the most popular choice for dangerous game, on any continent, for good reasons. Learn how your comment data is processed. And since the .404 Jeff is a longer bottle-neck case, it burns a larger dose of slower burning power to achieve about 76% of the ballistics of my .458 Win Mag! The 404 being .423" would have an edge on sectional density while the .458" would have slightly more frontal area. 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