(This is old now but back in the

(This is old now but back in the day I was teaching the kids, they were great for resort use: I was on telemark bindings and if the kids needed me but were uphill from me, I could just turn around and go uphill.).

Had the V8 176 which skied too short (Im 61, 185 lbs) then got Charger bc 182 and loved it!

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A few years ago I had a conversation with Voile about a new ski that might fit well in their lineup: something to fill the niche between the very proud, tried and true Vector and the skimo specific Wasatch Speed Project. Weight weenies and rando racers might want to look elsewhere, as these don't glide super well, and are heavier and bulkier than the lightest equipment out there.

But, if youre going to forgo edges to save weight and cost, why not go farther and see what happens? Me, I wish theyd put it in as we love that type of skin attachment. In the spring of 2016 I received quite the gift from Voile: a ski meeting or exceeding what Id imagined. Are you going to do a review of the BD Helio 88s?

Cutting short a glorious day in the backcountry because your skins are failing is a major bummer; the odds of that occurring with these skins is low. If you are not convinced already, the Safer Skin membrane also cuts down on bulk to make these skins incredibly package. Ive been skiing it for years; its indestructible and a pleasure to ride.

It is only necessary to trim the width of these skins, as the tip and tail attachments come attached. I might be disappointed. Its worth noting that it doesnt have the typical Voile wrap-around edges. Information provided here is one piece of the puzzle in effectively evaluating backcountry snow conditions and avalanche hazard. I think entry level needs to be defined. This was another great test for the objective as it was late in the day and the corn was getting sloppy. 178 is the longest length? Newer splitboarders who perhaps bootpacked or snowshoed previously will be less likely to notice this poor glide since any glide is noticeable and appreciated, relative to those forms of locomotion. skis poorly.

Its like having bad wax on x3. And the Ever Dry hydrophobic treatment makes sure they keep gripping, whatever the weatherno need for sprays or waxes to stop the glop. Lightweight.

I was surprised how long I was able to go before feeling the need to put the ski crampons on. As with their other skins, Voile teamed up with Pomoca to produce a top-notch product. Any shop has a dozen sitting around theyll give or sell for a few bucks.

Please let us know if you have any other questions. The 100% waterproof membrane between the fibers and the adhesive drastically improves durability and glue performance while reducing weight and making them more pliable for easy stowing.

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Lou, You guys realize we tested the smooth base version of Objective, right? All times are GMT-7.

Check out the Voile Hyper Glide Objective 85mm Skins. Nonetheless, the edges do appear burly and are not the skinny, weak edges often found on skis in this weight class.

My boots are Scarpa T3 and they do very well on the Atomic TM 22 skis.

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Yes, it has plenty of camber to grip anything worth skiing (Im no pow snob and dont mind it FIRM)but the rocker and sidecut maintain Voile skis characteristic playfulness and ski-ability through variable conditions. However, it can't be too strong to where you dislocate a shoulder pulling it apart. This contender has a stellar grip, and the nylon fur clings superbly to skin tracks. And the Ever Dry hydrophobic treatment makes sure they keep gripping, whatever the weatherno need for sprays or waxes to stop the glop. My old Vasque leather 75 mm ski boots are better with the Asnes skis. Question will be displayed after moderation.

It is also very reasonably priced, and made in the USA (no worries about their labor practices).

A Vector BC is going to out climb a Objective BC so you will stop sooner to add skins. Ok, ski crampons on for a bit, and then came the steep exposed booting with the axe.

I bought mine the first year and they are 188.

No ads. I had to step out of the skis and yank them violently to free them, but theyre still going strong a couple years later.

No cherry-picked units sent by manufacturers.

Both Bob and I have tested these extensively now, Im racking them up and moving on to the next plank, or, if I want something for a long tour Ill put some mohairs on these and go, or, perhaps Ill grab the Volkl VTA88, or?

To that end, wed like to see is a ski such as this that totally goes for the edge elimination by only having steel under the non-rockered mid section. Did that get axed? If youre looking for a quiver-killer, all-arounder check out the bigger Voile Vector. Elastic tail-strap and universal clip keeps your tail secure all day long.

Its fun to ski because it is lively and pops.

It will be less noticeable on shorter and steeper ascents. These skins harness POMOCAs research and development of materials, weaving techniques, and fiber attachment systems to provide a combination of gripping power and durability in a light weight package: We are trying to be better about sending out newsletters -at the very least we'll send out info about sales, events, and the occasional photo essay from a recent trip.

And, to assure complete independence, we buy all the products we test ourselves. Available in three dimensions specifically fit to the go-far Voile Objective and Objective BC. 43.00, Regular Price:

I hate the way they feel.

Sure wish Voile would make some longer lengths in their skinnier skis. Conditions were perfect for the ski (very firm, chalky spring snow but still with fast, low volume sluff), and I was grinning for a steep 1000.

Let us know! Its a recipe for disaster. Great for the long road approach. The tip attachment on these skins is stout metal, with serious rivets securing it to the skin material; it appears mostly unchanged from what this company has used for several years, and we are not aware of any durability issues associated with it. Monday to Friday 10am-12am & 2pm-6pm (GMT +1), Special Price Snow was very sticky, so hard to get an accurate impression of the skis capability. One thing I cant decide though is whether to put skins on starting from the tip or starting from the tail.

Don Sharfe of Rocky Mountain Outfitts (great shop by the way) in Kalispell turned me on to kicker skins this winter, short skins under the foot. Alternatively use it as a simple call to action with a link to a product or a page. These arent lighter than Cho Oyo are they?

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To test the skins in this review we broke trail in deep the world's most carefully tested and objective gear reviews. Hello! Nothing worse than sending entry level skiers out into the backcountry with light skis. Doubt if I need these new Voile skis.

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Love your Voile Objective or Objective BC Skis, but do not want to spend hours custom building skins for the tip notch?

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And not much less expensive. After a dozen or so tours, it weakened just enough to make pulling the skins apart a bit easier. But except for that, seems to me a Cho Oyo might be a better choice.

I ski them with TLT6 boots often without tongues or straps; in the more difficult snow, Ill put in the yellow tongues. Light and Fast or Fun and Functional?

Please point me to an insert system you'd recommend.

I see recipes for disaster relative to beginner skiers in the backcountry on a constant basis gear does matter to a certain extent but first and foremost beginners might be better served learning to ski in a more controlled environment .. just my two pennies ..

What I envisioned was all white with the simple V logo at the tip and the American flag with Made in USA at the tailboth modestly placed, of course.

Are they that good?

Less weight is good and winter ski touring in Colorado is easy on skis, but abuse your ski tip or tail in icy or rocky conditions and you might need more protection.

Entry level ski = me cringing. Except for the no-wax. This page was generated at 02:37 PM. Jackson New Hampshire

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I wouldnt look twice at them if I still lived in Colorado. The bungee is super stretchy, so starting from the tip seems like Im gonna stretch it out and then have the skin be too loose on the tail. Previously I had used the following waxless skis: Madshus Voss (NNN-BC), Salomon X-adv (3 pin), Karhu Pinnacles (3 pin) Fischer Outtabounds (3 pin), and Karhu Guides (Dynafit Speeds).

Sounds like I might need a pair of each.

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I thought the Objective was supposed to have a skin tip notch like the WSP? Then hopefully leave the tail adjusted such that it's a relatively loose clamp-over (remembering that tail straps mostly prevent the skin from peeling and are not supposed to hold the skin on under tension which actually makes it more likely to peel at the edges).

This competitor prioritizes grip and durability, which comes at the expense of glide.

We spun around 180 degrees on the Voile Splitboard skins. The hytrel tip attachment and toggle remain flexible when the temperature plummets, and an elastic universal POMOCA tail clip ensures your skins stay snug and secure.

One other thing about how it skied, short. My first turns were down the Ramps NW couloir. Maybe so but only if the snow is less than a inch or two deep and flat. True long-term testing is beyond the scope of this review, though we can confirm that this brand of skins has a good track record.

The glue does a great job of sticking the skins to the splitboard, and we had very few issues with it not fully adhering to the splits.

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Some of this has to do with truncated edges at both tip and tail, along with construction thats clearly optimized for touring not for hardcore downhill skiing.

Feel like Montana stone grinding those things off but no. I am intrigued, because of the no-wax base option for mellow spring skiing (e.g.

Assuming you don't just cut the tails off, I would still start with the tip and put it on like a race skin: snug elastic but not overly stretched. A view of the glue side of the Voile splitboard skins near the tail.

The adhesive on skins needs to be strong and prevent skin failures.

Inspired by skimo racing, the latest members of our ski family place an emphasis on fast ascents and long-distance travel. I now use the Vector BC with speeds because (1) they climb very well on all kinds of snow; (2) they handle all kinds of crud on the way down, even boot and snowshoe tracks; and (3) they are short, fat, floating, quick to maneuver, and hold and edge even on icy groomed snow, where there is just a tiny bit of buzz (much less than the others mentoned above).

Conditions were again perfect for this ski here, and it was purely delightful booting with the featherweight on my back.

The edges end a few inches before the tip and tail, so be mindful of abuse (primarily around the tail).

Cho is a sidecutty feeling ski thats fairly stiff and doesnt have much rocker.

The rubber strap connecting the tail attachment has a helpful amount of stretch, which allows one to connect and remove the tail clip without too much muscle strain. Voile are you listening?

The warranty issue did it. I put inserts in and will try them with my kreuzspitze tts soon.

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I have two pair of BC skis: 1. old ATOMIC TM 22 Tele skis for steeper terrain I really do. PO Box 75

For me the big plus is I get to use my old Garmont 75mm boots, way more comfortable for me than any TX Pros. I even got my 180cm Vectors jammed in a couloir that was less than 180cm wide once.

Weight ?

Just real, honest, side-by-side testing and comparison.

Congratulations Baaahb. Id a bought a 195 if they made them. This will be noticeable on longer days that involve significant amounts on low angle and rolling terrain.

Expert skiers, sure these might be greatbut we really gotta keep beginners out of this type of gear.

Ive blasted sharks at speed with the Vector and Charger that I thought for sure would have resulted in irreparable damage, only to find I needed to file the edge and apply some p-tex.

The tail attachment is a newer innovation; it is a simple design that does its job well and is fairly easy to attach and remove.

Should I get the 164 or the 171 length? Your donation directly supports the Anchorage Avalanche Center!

Safer Skin membrane is 100% waterproof, increases tear resistance, and reduces the weight and bulk. I try to be objective.

The strip of tape in the middle of the base reduces the amount of glue surface area and lessens the force needed. In my opinion, pattern vs. smooth base is the same for at and nordic skating is more fun.

Eric Steig: I bought the Voile Vector BCs primarily for doing XC Ski Patrol on the MTTA system. Weather, snow, and avalanche conditions are constantly changing and we are only able to provide small, static snapshots of this dynamic phenomena. They do glide but have more friction to overcome, which makes them inefficient over long touring days.

Interesting.

Also, even on the coldest of mornings, the Hytrel tip attachment and toggle will remain pliable enough for a tip rip with expedition mitts on. The black ribbon prevents new skins from being overly sticky but after a couple years of use can be removed to expose newer and stickier glue which can then keep the skins working for even longer.

Although I received the ski later in the season, I was able to put some big days on it skiing a range of conditions.

Id use them for an versatile uphill fitness rig.

I love the idea of the Objective, but they are twice as expensive as the Madshus Annum. I paired it with Dynafit TLT Speed Superlite bindings and Dynafit PDG boot.

Straight ice is tough on any skin, but if there is any soft or textured snow available, these skins will do a great job ascending it.

Asnes Combat-Combi Norwegian army skis (ONLY from Neptune Mountaineering, Boulder, CO) These are for BC touring on less challenging terrain.

But Im still a weight weenie and when a ski comes in this sleek and affordable I perk up and take notice. Skied these yesterday in some new, wet spring-like, very, sticky/grippy snow. I think the Voile Traverse would also a good choice for this ski. I imagine in better snow, theyd ski pretty well. Or, how about a powder touring ski with no steel at all, just some ABS edges?

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The Voile splitboard skin tail attachment is burly metal connected to a highly adjustable strap.

In order to effectively use and apply the information found on this website you need to be educated and experienced in regard to avalanche safety, hazard recognition, and rescue. They also beat my imagination of how well a ski this small and light would perform.

Nordic skate skiers seem to do ok without steel, why not powder skiers?

It does limit the crowds, of course. are light, grippy, and glide so well youll think you left your skins in your pack. Cho has its place. Voile Objective touring ski, proof that the one-kilo option is real.

Really nice on the up.

The third run of the day, the OMalley Thunderbolt couloir, provided a true test for the Objective as a mountaineering ski. Easier does seem like the right thing for a pack laden long tour. Even liked the Voile skins, great glide in the wet snow, no clumping. The Safer Skin membrane will protect your glue on wet spring days, and the Ever Dry hydrophobic treatment will stop the glop to boot!

164 cm : 112-80-97 mm / 171 cm : 115/82/99 mm / 178 cm : 117-84-102 mm, 164 cm : 1,9 kg / 171 cm : 2,10kg / 178 cm : 2,27 kg, Radius: 18 (164cm), 18,5 (171cm), 19,5 (178cm).

Our expert team purchased and extensively tested 7 models How to Choose Splitboard Skins for Backcountry Snowboarding. Just got these to go with my new objectives and everythings working great so far!

The 100% waterproof membrane between the fibers and the adhesive drastically improves durability and glue performance while reducing weight and making them more pliable for easy stowing.

It skied quite well, handling hardpack in an understated yet reliable style, and on the soft stuff feeling like the supple 84 mm waist ski it is. So now gotta decide whether to put bulldogs (4hole) on them or get some switchback 2's. He was the first person in history to ski down all 54 Colorado 14,000-foot peaks, has authored numerous books about about backcountry skiing, and has skied from the summit of Denali in Alaska, North Americas highest mountain. This tape also has the benefit that after a few seasons of use, the glue starts to lose its sticking power; removing the tape will expose fresh glue underneath and revitalize the sticking power of the skins. Material on GearLab is copyrighted.

After a season's worth of testing, we realized that pizazz is not necessarily a quality to look for in your climbing skins.

Apples to oranges somewhat.

I probably would have called the ski the Voile Purist or Alpinist, denoting its primary use for human powered, ski mountaineering objectives deep in the backcountry. For reference, Im about 61 and 180 lbs and have been skiing a 171cm Objective (since I use it for climbing intensive endeavors that dont usually involve much powder). Lets face itthe weight penalty going up is irrelevant if youre skis are deflected 6 ways to Saturday every time you point them down.

Pulled the plug on some ultravectors.

Anyone know what size V6s were available at introduction? Good choice, I have 6 or 7 year old Vector BCs with Switchbacks and love them. Our first impression was that they appeared boring and lacked some of the pizazz offered by other skins in our review. If we find a ski that goes ok to good on the down, isnt too heavy, and costs less, then Id call it entry level. Of course if the entry level customer wants the best, there are plenty of online stores, website affiliate links and retailers who will be happy to advise (grin). Next was back up the Thunderbolt and north face of OMalley to the summit.

Id disagree that light skis NEVER go down hill well.

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Due to how supple this plank is as well as having a bit of tip and rocker in the tail (as well as plenty of rocker at the front) my 178 cm testers definitely felt shorter than that. My Vectors worked with leather boots in soft snow, so it may be something to consider in your binding choice, especially if you don't need free pivot.

It proved quite capable.

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When flexing out, tail seems slightly soft, luckily Objective is not too rockered or turned up at the tail, otherwise it would wimp out.

They reside somewhere between our WSP and Vector skis. So in my experience a Charger BC will out climb a Vector BC and a Vector BC will out climb the smaller versions of fishscale skis. Stopping and scraping off the sticking snow and then rubbing a soft wax on the skins does reduce the issue at least temporarily.

Additionally it sounds like you are going to use a non free pivot binding so every step up and down you stress the mount.

The hytrel tip attachment and toggle remain flexible when the temperature plummets, and an elastic universal POMOCA tail clip ensures your skins stay snug and secure. Advantage of litedogs is step in and a bit easier k&g.

They are also noticeably slow when skiing down short hills and will stop the skinner faster than someone using mixed nylon/mohair skins. When you click on links to buy products we may earn money to support, Durable, stellar grip, sturdy, easy to use, affordable, reliable glue, above average attachment, avoided glop in most conditions. Downhill, due to aforementioned snow conditions, I did not like them. Sending a good skier out on heavy gear to suffer through 3k vertical to ski something that was regularly skied on 210 long x 55mm wide skis and leather boots 25 years ago is not doing them any favors.

It is imperative that you receive avalanche education from a professional provider, carry all essential rescue equipment (beacon, shovel, and probe in addition to all tools and attire required for safe wintertime backcountry travel), and understand inherent risks before venturing into avalanche terrain.

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I know people are down on no-wax, but in the PNW, such bases work incredibly well in nearly all conditions we get. Setting out for my first skinning steps in this ski from Glen Alps, I couldnt help but giggle: it was so light! These are the climbing skins you reach for when your destination is especially remote or when making fast time is critical.

Lou and Andy: thanks to both of you for the feedback on the Cho Oyo vs the Objective.

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