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Need to make sure the binding ramp angle is generally compatible with your boots. The weather is often very close to freezing, and varies during the day, which means that you would have to apply different types of kick wax several times. Fischer does have bigger skis that have both fish scales and special attachments so that you can easily attach and detach skins (Easy Skin) bus so far the trend of using permanent skins hasnt made it up to bigger skis.

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No problem. This is the World Famous TelemarkTalk / TelemarkTips / Telemark Francais Forum, by far the most dynamic telemark and backcountry skiing discussion board on the world wide web since 1998. If they made it in 184 and allowed Tele mounts without voiding warranty Id buy it. You should really check out the Madshus Epoch or Annum. It is a trade-off though, as Serge said; going down tends to be a bit slower. It's lighter than the Kom, lighter than the Annum, lighter than the Helio Carbon 88 and lighter than the S-Bounds 112. Well-suited for multi-day trips over rolling terrain. I live in the Northeast and wanted a ski that would be good for some technical skiing AND a long approach. Theyturn easy enough on corn (like any ski) but really get stuck in a rut on crusty snow. I can easily keep pace with XC skiers in set track (though, alongside, since this ski is obviously too wide for set track). If you dont need to ski anything very difficult, then skinnier skis (which can be driven more easily by BC boots) are the better choice, in my opinion. I'm looking at other lightweight skis like the Blizzard ZeroG 85, BD Cirque 84 or the Dynafit Blacklight Pro and can't decide if the Objective BC would be too much of a one trick pony.. My thing is spring Sierra touring on corn, mostly for the scenery and just to be out there turns are secondary to me. Occasionally Id enjoy the benefits of scales for the extra glide on flats, but I much prefer a good pair of mohIr or mohair/nylon blend (pomoca) for a better balance of grip and glide. We pay for our membership.

The transition from sunny snow to deep shadow is where we get balling-up (or glopping). My experience was that a 2 buckle boot was MAYBE a bit too light to power the ski. I think it will go a long way in promoting xcd skiing compared to the xcd stuff available since the advent of plastic boots and dh oriented skis. So, when it hits ice, it doesn't get floppy, but it does get a little chattery, with some deflection. I'm already concerned for the future of the KOM - it had my interest last year, but now not even on my radar. That is not the only time you can get glop. Have them mounted with 22 designs lynx Telemark bindings. The Objective BCs are a nice modern shape so they are easy to ski, whereas the Karhus had massive camber much more like an XC ski they were very hard to initiate turns with. Also, Im approaching this from the perspective of a downhill skier that also does traverses, rather than the perspective of an XC skier that wants to go beyond the nordic track. I imagine if they werent my only skis and I skiied a lot less in them it wouldnt have been such a problem, but there is no good solution once they get scratched up since you cant resurface the scales. There are people who mountaineer, day after day, in plastic boots though. Of course, skills, familiarity, conditions and terrain all make a difference. For ski trails. I figured toggling back and forth between ski techniques depending on whether I was inbounds would likely make me sloppy on both days.

they stick out more) so when I use them I almost never use skins. Theyre awesome. Voile ultravector bc owner here. Just my two cents. Glop just happens, and when it does I either push through (hoping conditions change sometimes they do) or stop and apply the goop. I would also offer a different opinion than Dan in terms of grip. My choice on the binding was a balance of weight and ramp angle. Ive been preaching to everyone how fish scales in addition to climbing skins are the future of backcountry powder skiing. The four buckle boot is a tad heavier, but I do not feel like I lost any range of motion. Low angled slopes are rare. The Objectives arent nearly this rockers, but I expect the shorter effective length will be a real asset in rugged terrain. Quite often I leave the skins behind. I think my wife is sold on the pattern. My guess is the vast majority of longer distance ski mountaineering trips (like this) take place using plastic boots. My skins ended up drenched and glopping. We encourage posts re: human powered uphill/downhill shralping, TR's, pics, bc gear, avalanche tools/techniques/training/technology My first pair of BC skis were voile vector bcs. Gonna put them to the test at the Bob Open in a few weeks. Slowshoeing, lift access, your recent park footy, mountaineering & non-snow wilderness adventures, not here. Skin wax is pretty essential for some trips where glopping can become an issue. That was a similarly versatile ski, though is designed for tele and did not have any rocker. (Sidecountry, snomo, cat & heli bumps) sometimes accepted. I did cross the lake below this past spring which is maybe 6 miles long and didnt notice any issues, but I was also pretty tired at the time and not really in top kick-glide form. at some point nothing will help, but I havent found a difference from old to new bases in that regard. I love skate skiing around Yosemite meadows, touring out to huts, and generally just destination skiing really fast.

Compared the Karhu Guides (181cm) that these replace, they are much lighter (1900g vs 2800g), 2mm wider and hopefully far easier to handle, with more sidecut and rocker instead of huge camber. by lowangle al Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:35 pm, Post The fishscales are wet in the sun, then they freeze in the shade.

As for efficiency, certainly fish scales add some amount of drag, so if your descent is purely downhill then they wont help. He was backsliding occasionally going up, but just flew going down. Trade-offs. Slimmer and lighter than the Vector BC, but both wider and lighter than the old karhu guides/madshus annums, they are 5lbs for the pair at178cm, 117x84x102. Some of you have been hoping for a skimo/XCD hybrid ski for backpacking style trips in winter, and it looks likeVoile has just produced a new contender. I was quite ready to get rid of them by the time I passed them on. If I could afford to Id ad a pair of scaled skis to my quiver, I might, but Id be pretty selective about what trips I used them for and careful to preserve the bases. Both skis have full metal edges and both have Voile release bindings and heel cables. Ive used them quite a bit on several difference long traverse trips and Ive never put my skins on even though I was carrying them. There is some tail rocker, no doubt but not a lot. I ski them with the G3 Zed and the Scott Cosmos. I toured in the first third with the pattern and put skins on the remaining 2/3 to the top of the trail. I am interested in using them (or something alike) for multi-day trips where I may habe to carry them as well some time, so lightweight shoes with soft sole would be very important. We are talking here of a complete fat setup under 6lbs including the bindings, at 178cm! Altai now has the Kom in 152, 162, and 174. That said, the 178 tracks well when touring despite being a little short, and still floats fine. Its all about the local conditions. It skied gloriously without the skins. I personally pair them with (plastic) Telemark boots. Given how light it is, it is NOT damp on crud. I crossed the range a few years ago on my current skis, much skinnier fishscales (atomic Rainiers) and only used my skins a few times. A Membership is required to post in the forums. We find it useful to spray the sole with some sort of non-stick which limits how often the snow sticks and balls up. But interestingly, I have never had your issue with older skis glopping more. A few key characteristics before I get into performance: Mild sidecut. With a ski that lacks a pattern, you "endure" the approach for turns. No one races in them (because waxing is faster) but there is a market for areas like the Northwest. I'm in no way affiliated/sponsored/or paid by Voile. The other huge thing compared to the Karhus is the vastly more progressive shape. We used to use leather boots with 3-pin bindings, but that got complicated when Scarpa discontinued leather boots for a while and we had to replace ours. Im in Love with Voile fish scaled skis. Real reviews by real skiers. It wouldnt surprise me, though, if we see it in a few years. Im looking forward to including a pair of these BC models in my quiver for sure. The scales slow you down on flats, no question. Somewhat chattery as a result if youre in any sort of chopped up crud. I havent been disappointed yet! Ive noticed that I move very fast uphill, but unlike a lot of people, I have to push my way downhill. Is it pretty flexible if you try to bend the tip and tail up? I went with Altai Kom ski, Riva 2 bindings, and Scarpa T3 boots. Or when youre skiing back out but there is a short uphill section that everyone side steps or bootpacks? The ski seems like another good offering from Voile. With my Atomic Rainiers I use BC boots, and with my other (skinnier) skis I use regular cross country boots. Im really excited about these. Tempting to think I could leave them out of the pack. As mentioned, they are easy to turn. For example, whendescending with theKarhus, Id often have to put my skins onfor extra drag because they were too much of a handful to ski in the trees. Id like a less side cut ski to complement my v6 BC and Ultravectors BC but the Objective is too short for me. Serge Ive learned that I can almost always predict where someone skis by their opinion on waxless skis skiers in California and the Pacific northwest generally prefer them (except for the folks who go straight up and straight down), skiers from the rockies and the east coast generally dont. Noticed that there appear to be 2 or 3 other people on the internet that own the Voile objective, so thought Id post a review for them to get excited about. Im a pretty good skier, but on a breakable crust those hugely cambered Karhus with minimal sidecut are a major handful. Their website seems to indicate that they do have rocker in the tail. You must be logged in to reply to this topic. Seriously? I had Karhu Guides before but these fish scales are a revelation because they have so much more grip than the Karhus. On a more serious note, its a ski with very little write-up, so I thought Id give my own thoughts to help others in deciding whether to buy. I see about 185cm for my powder skis but Im happy with these in 164cm and would be content with 150cm. I think the fish scales are much more positive (e.g.

by Johnny Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:22 am, Post Dredging this thread up from the past Dan how did those Objective BCs work out for you? Press J to jump to the feed. Add your own today. Make sure you pick an easy-to-transition binding and boot with a lot of range of motion, so you can make the most of the performance that the ski offers. Because youre relying on the rocker to keep you on top of powder, rather than surface area through the whole ski, it does tend to push you back a bit, and, if youre not careful, you end up backseat on your heels. Id have gone a few centimeters longer if I could, but, as you note, it tops out at 178cm. For example, in deep, wet snow, they are better than flat, stiff skis because you never submarine you are on top of things the whole time. The descent was great - skied wonderfully. I really dont care about speed when Im using those skis, so less weight and better grip suits me fine. Seemingly small amount of rocker upfront, with the predominant shape being the camber I mentioned above. Interesting to hear about Maxiglide. I use BD glopstopper skin wax, but Ive still had super sloppy conditions where glopping on skins wasnt avoidable. Personally Id go with the dps skis in a heartbeat if they were in my price range.

For powder skiing, I badly wish all my powder skis had these fish scales. If you do want a nice pow ski with fish scales, Dan, check out the voile hyper vector bcs. @Dan Wow, that is a very light and nimble setup. I always thought it was due to my skis (having fish scales) but then I realized my brother, with the exact same skis, had the opposite situation. Those two, non-detachable low speed quads are the best season pass you'll ever own. But it did work. However, you will arrive with far less exertion and fatigue, which is especially useful on an approach. It wont matter much on deep snow, but might in the Spring or if you end up on a groomed area. trees), rather than by the glide of the skis. With the right ski (not too fat, has a pattern) the approach is fun, with gliding and nice speed on rolling approaches. Given how light it is, and how grippy the pattern is, this thing tours wonderfully. Just the fact that they are 20 cm shorter than what most of us skied will make them easier to learn on. I think this type of fishscales is a no-brainer on backcountry touring skis. Absolutely slower on moderate descents if your whole base is in contact with the snow. But where fish scales really shine is when you are going up and down, up and down, several times. Part of the reason I went to a 4 buckle boot (with the Cosmos), was that a 2 buckle boot requires a more centered stance, which is a different form from my resort boots. Al - this could be your chance to get back under 10 lbs! One of my favorite things about multi-day ski trips is effortlessly gliding for miles down long mellow descents. Also if anyone spends any time on these this season, post yourfeedback here. My traverses are usually up one side of the mountain and down the other. The kind of traverses I do are usually a bushwack filled spring sufferfest where Ive got enough to deal with that I dont want to be figuring out skin wax. It kicks and glides like a champ. What do you think? Night and day. But I would probably bring them, just in case. by MikeK Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:43 pm, Post I dont need much float for spring traverses, but I do need a nimble ski that finesse through tight trees. It was a 7-8 mile tour, out and back. The only time Ive use skins with them is to add more drag, when Im skiing downhill through super tight bush/alder/willow. I have a pair now and like them as well. Ive found that the skis Ive owned for a while now offer more grip than before, probably due to my appreciation of good craft beer. Why cant this be edited? Thus far, I have skied it in the Adirondacks, White Mountains, and Tetons. To me that is one the misnomers about the ski (they arent just for powder). I have the Objective BCs with Fritschi Xenics. I like skis that are like that. Some skins are quite sluggish and heavy, like more nylon based bd skins. For the numbers people out there my 2017 Objective skis in 171cm with SuperLite bindings weigh about 5.5 lbs/pair. I really want a pair. Sometimes the exact same terrain that you did a week before with fish scales requires skins in different conditions.