Just guessing, happens at locals

Just guessing, happens at locals where you effectively only have one range official because the guy with the score pad is scoring ahead. (A few including one on my squad.). And how many of them are still running LOK Lights after the craze to buy them? So it's not legal in IDPA ever, and is only legal in Open division in USPSA. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. What was their purpose for running them? The full grip and slide/barrel are friendlier for range work, but the x-series 3.9" top on a x-compact lower is the daily configuration, with TLR7 and some good holsters. Nice!!!!! No, I meant what I said although I was being somewhat silly with that statement. Yes I understand this holster is only available in right handed configuration I used to carry the 19x with an extended mag and a 21 rd backup. Outdated?

Affiliate Disclosure - The fact that so many still view this as a competitive advantage type issue is funny to me. As for IDPA matches where this is more of a thing, if you wanted everybody to be able to participate AND maintain competitive equity, WSBs could easily be adjusted to require the use of a handheld light. It's hard for a gun to be outdated. I dreamed I was back in Atlanta. You have three options for the claw: Modwing, DSG Darkwing, or RCS VG claw.

Being newer to IWB carrying and trying to find the best spot on my waist to carry, I decided to purchase the manual safety conversion kit for my 365xl. I can visualize a specific AIWB starting position to keep the muzzle downrange rather than across the range but I doubt IDPA is interested and the wearers don't think they have a problem. I have no clue. This is the heart of the issue for me (I try to avoid truly pointless internet arguments). I could never understand this "outdated" thing. Still have them---still perfect condition! I like 'em all, but would get rid of P30 first and USP last. is flawed. Dang that front-end heavy pistol becomes more challenging to transition with! Which will cause additional complaints. All the 5 inch, 4.7 inch, and 3.9 inch guns were very pleasant to shoot, with the 5 and 4.7 with polymer grips being my general preference to shoot. BrianEnos.com Declassified testimony that had been redacted from Douglas MacArthur's Senate hearings, Here's a pretty interesting little piece on, On my daily peregrinations about the internets yesterday, some photos from. Bought my compact back in 2002. TIA!! It can be done. (Not because they thought it would give them an advantage on unplanned low-light stages, I guarantee that! I used it for awhile on a p320 compact grip for awhile as a second/backup gun. I'm fine with shifting additional responsibilities to match directors if it means growing the sport. For use with the Enigma, select no belt clip. My whole point is I see no problem with WMLs and AIWB holster setups being allowed to permit the greatest number of options for people to compete with their actual carry gear. I was a dyed in the wool Glock guy. Going to revisit the 40. This holster is made by KSG Armory but is the original Phlster Classic holster. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. With tuckable holsters and other options, a G26 or G19-size gun can be carried lots of places. My tactical shelf wont allow it lol. It teaches you proper squat form, which is a bonus. ), So there's a some sort of Instagram-like app called "Rich Kids" that is apparently just like Instagram, but charges you a thousand dollars a month to post your photos. Your link has been automatically embedded. wrearp Some of use if not most are primarily T shirt or button down sort of guys . I suspect those competitors that are showing up to those matches are doing so with WMLs. Live Free or Die had to 2 no light stages and they were difficult. Telling a 5'4" woman in a skirt with no belt loops to "dress around" a Glock 19 in an IWB holster makes one sound a little dense. I've been shooting steel with this P320 MAX since this past summer. Using the industry standard belt claw sometimes called a wing with a hole spacing of 5/8 and having fixed retention, its Enigma compatible. Does it hit the mark? The

And more of them now that WMLs are legal equipment. I'm back to carrying my hammer fired Springfield XD-e. Is it bigger, heavier and hold less rounds yes, but I love this gun. The AR15 was first made in 1959. I currently have two X-5 Legions and just ordered an AXG frame to drop one of those slides on. They were all fine guns but for carry I want a thumb safety.

They are great guns just dated and from a different era. Canted towards the center of the body or away? The Derpularity? Castle Pistol Classic had some no light stages. I went to bed after Bobbi left for work this morning. (Most of them. The case I'm making is that a simple rule change (that's in-line with IDPA's founding principles, as described by IDPA on their own website) would mean that a growing section of our base wouldn't be forced into NFC when using literal carry gear. A photo posted by Tamara Keel (@tamarakeel) on. I'd love to add one to my collection some day. Actually helps me hide a larger gun better. I've been shooting steel with this P320 MAX since this past summer. Just guessing, happens at locals where you effectively only have one range official. My opinion is if you can keep your finger off the trigger till you are ready to shoot then you'll never have a problem with AIWB carry. Always wanted to run the 40 cal, bushing barreled, Eagle 5.0 in ESP with 180gr minor loads. There are people who have social lives who like to dress normally around their friends and peers at dinners or cocktail parties. Hahahaha..yeah Bob.. Sure, it's lonely, but it's the only thing I know how to do. I bought the first-run when they came out. Appendix strong side where the barrel is canted to the right.

Powered by Invision Community, https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/pistols/sti-international-pistols/--sti-eagle-5-0--40s-w--pr39811-.cfm?gun_id=101069406. The USP always appealed to me as one of the few DA/SA polymer firearms available, but they cost a bit more than the competition so I never picked one up. Plenty examples of them on YouTube. Fortunately I had. ), How many were running actual WMLs? (well, "readily available" in normal times). Wings are just. DSG Darkwing (+$5.00) Blogging Guns Every Day, With No Days Off. But like how do you sit and stuff??? The er uhm Elite. Found out that while I was on the road that 2016 decided to take Brock Yates, too. Your upper-level matches are indoors? 2 screws and its off but thats still an inconvenience.

This isn't a debate. Your previous content has been restored. The Striker Control Device is a genius little piece of hardware that makes me feel much more comfortable, especially in conjunction with the trigger safety. USP 9mm is the only gun I really regret selling. I started with a p320 compact (3.9", compact grip.)

People Of The Gun: Not Just For Bubbas Anymore. There are people who work daily in non-permissive environments with dress codes, where a gun may be legal to carry, but would be a firing offense. I don't run low-light stages, nor does any state, regional, or national match*, so having shooters remove WML's and buying new holsters is a bigger lift than simply writing they can't be used in the WSB for the rare low-light stage. Appendix in a tier 1 axis elite from 509cs to glock 20s and staccatos alike. Biggest I can carry after some trial and error is my G32 (Glock 19 sized compact but .357 Sig not 9). Like somebody else said being in decent shape and having the right gear enable alot of options. I like it better than the 9mm. I try to shoot a hundred rounds a week. Timeless classic, and they're all made in still Germany. Understood, this is my first striker fired pistol, learning the ropes. I have probably used the term "dress around the gun" on these pages before. IIRC they were always priced around $800-$899 making them a good deal compared to regular USP's. I AIWB carry every day. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! And apparently @Thomas H's club does dark stages in USPSA, unless he's full of it. an Eagle, 9mm, bushing barrel as a backup knowing local interpretations always supersede That said, if you want to get fancy, my PMM X Comp Ultra is by far my favorite shooting P320. I should be a much better shooter than I am Fatale Abstraction: Phlegmatically Yours. Honestly, no, that's the first time I've heard of such a pistol. will, honest injun, only use in a constitutional manner.). But he didn't have to be disagreeable and dismissive when I brought it up from my unfortunate front row view of the muzzle. What do we do, make them sign an affidavit? I carry a fn509t with a tlr-1hl and rmr with no print. I've had a 4.7 slide with range friendly sights, and had a couple X5s, but for me carry is the role for the platformwith a compact grip and 3.9" barrel. Let's sing the Fun Show Song! I carry a 17.3 with an x300 and rmr. I'm 5'7", 180lbs and it doesnt really bother me unless I bend to grab shit. Disaster. Instapundit: Like he needed another link Pistol-Forum.com: The Forum For Serious Students Of The Pistol. I see the logic. I had carried a C&L Browning Hi Power 9mm for over 12 years with no issues, but now I needed a new pistol---the only DA/SA pistol I owned at the time was a Walther P5 9mm, but I wanted more ammo on board than the 8 rds the P5 carried. It works pretty well, Phlster does it better though. As said, equipment availability and preference have mutated a lot since the rules were written and revisions are more towards easy administration than tacticality. So, there you are, hunkered down with a good (well, good-ish) cheekweld on the stock of your bullpup Mosin 91/30, squinting through the 36-color illuminated mil-dot reticle of your UTG 6-24x50 at the advancing horde of shambling blue-helmeted UN Nazi zombies. Ive got an HK 45C Tactical on Backorder for several months. Please review the pictures and the description below if you have any questions. There is a place for a gun that can be carried very discreetly. Going to revisit the 40. No extra wedge I had more stuff to write up about the ECQC class today, but this morning I discovered that. Come join the discussion about other firearms, gun ownership, gun care, tactical firearms, small arms, optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I like the Romeo3 MAX red dot because it has a thin frame around the glass. Single-action, better sights, fatter backstrap for comfort, last-round hold-open. Could be. With the tungsten grip and weight it's a little heavy with 21 rounds in a full mag but it shoots well because of that. My one and only p320 is an axg classic. yes, it's worth the Pain to make it happen! To me, the Expert .45 is like a baby Mark 23 with the same capacity and a better useable size. This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

Im leaning towards OWB holster due to size but there are obviously major risks with that. Location: Successfully failed to move to California. If you want to add to the wedge bulk, I recommend the large foam wedge which youll have to trim to your liking. If you sold chocolate lollipops for $2 and dog shit on a stick for $1.75, the American gun-buying public would suck a turd every time. I want to welcome new shooters to my matches with as little friction as possible and I'm seeing more and more new shooters with lights. I am looking for a new smaller caliber platform. The Online Photographer: Writing on Photography. I was never really a big of the p320 platform, or strikers in general, but the 320 is so modular you can build one practically exactly to your liking. I've owned several and shot a bunch more. And they're a little flexible on that too. A lot of shooters wear one revolver straight draw and one cross draw but well towards the front for successive shooting with the strong hand. An amazingly accurate gun. PO Box 466Reedsport, OR 97467Do not send firearms to this address. They are SUPPOSED to turn so that the cross draw gun does not come out behind the 170 deg. For me, though, once I get around to picking up another subcompact, I'm going to go Glock. I recently bought a second FCU and plan on doing a build with the full size grip module that I have. The barrel length is 3.9", caliber is 45acp. HOW IS IT OUTDATED??? 3AM? https://www.amazon.com/s?k=kelly+tur_2_15_ts-doa-p. This I have an AXG Classic, 3.9 in barrel. They are reliable and durable and come in popular calibers. Large Wedge Trimmed By Customer (+$5.00). Guess I learned something new today. 's view of the gun? Clear editor. It certainly wont go as smoothly as imagined. Ive got a tactical shelf. ok gut too. So the US government is going to hector me about cyber security in this op-ed allegedly co-written by Valerie Jarrett: Earlier this year I read of the passing of longtime. Knew about the P2000 and HK45, but didn't know HK managed to squeeze in another handgun into the 2000's. Location: SF Bay Peninsula Best Part of Cali. Does it go bang when you pull the trigger? Look at what the top guys are winning with. small of back carry no, appendix carry no. While a lot of guns you can buy today are "dated", that doesn't necessarily mean they are obsolete or less capable than newer firearms. Not a lot of posting action in September. Especially when considering the bigger picture? I am absolutely staggered that there are actually people on this forum stupid enough to believe Putin is anything other than a murderous pile of dogs**t filth and to actually buy in to the whole idiotic 'nazis in Ukraine' crap. Then I got a P2000 9mm. Gentlemen's agreement is Make weight, fit box, no big magazine catch button. JavaScript is disabled.

I have carried striker fired pistols chambered with no safety now for the entirety of my carrying. Earlier this year I purchased a USP 9 Compact and recently a P2000 I don't consider any of the HK's I own to be outdated. Still strange not having a hammer to thumb on re-holster, but I am really enjoying the form factor and accuracy of this snappy little thing. My whole point to was that because IDPA does stages in the dark to allow a WML will require every shooter to have one if they want to compete. People that want to compete with their actual carry gear should not only be welcome to do so, but they should be encouraged. Discuss your favorite California handgun technical and related questions here. Music is magic - Wisdom is golden - Learning to navigate life better as we age is amazing and a choice. Guess Ill go spend my holster money at the gym lol. use of force spectrum is not like baseball. Plan to do an SP-01 next year as a winter gun, and want a PO-1 Omega for summer. The Derpvergence? But I can swap over to a Carry Optics legal upper (for IDPA) and I can do the same thing to use it in CO in USPSA, or run my actual carry gun with the comp in Open div. Because why wouldn't they? Bikes. Pasted as rich text. ), How many top competitors at the recent Nationals were running LOK Lights? Display as a link instead, Scooter, Confused about your 40 Eagle. A subreddit to discuss the concealed carrying of weapons (CCW) and other self-defense topics. The HK45 and HK45c have the M1913 rail. A forum community dedicated to 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. The length is set up for the various full size guns; e.g. quote Ayn Rand at the drop of a fedora are all in the middle of awkward Are you willing to make the case that a WML would not be a advantage in a zero light stage against guys running hand held lights? If you'll make that case you're a idiot. I was intrigued even as a guy that carries daily with a Streamlight TLR-1HL in a Floodlight AIWB.) Just wanted to pick yalls brain on this idea or if I should suck it up and work with an AIWB holster for my FS. That slide is legit. I don't think AIWB would fly, and I don't blame them for not allowing considering Joyce's reaction to that. I spent the rest of that match well to the back side of his draw. *Revolver excluded. You must select the above option to acknowledge you read this, Select an option

I carry a XL and if my body type permitted AIWB I would carry that way. The Molds were sold by Phlster to KSG and KSG is proud to uphold the tradition of quality and service. Press J to jump to the feed. Super reliable and as accurate as I am. But with all that said. Of course we do, but no one wants to shoot in the "I'm only here for the lulz" division*. Full size would be almost impossible for me. Doing some quick math, I've fired over 20k rounds of centerfire handgun ammo in the last year. I would like to hear from those that have owned one. You laugh because you can't use you're carry gear, and then make a serious case to allow a light on your gun that you can't use. Solution still works - mandate that a handheld light is used on low-light stages. Triggers & Trigger Kits | Grips & Grip Modules | Magazines & Base Pads | Magazine Releases | Guide Rods | Spring Kits | Other Gun Parts | Holsters | Sights & Optics | Apparel | Tools | Accessories, List Everything | SIG Sauer Armorer's DVD | Bruce's Garage, P320 | M17 | M18 |P229 | P210| P228 | P226 | X5 All-Round | P220 | P225-A1 | P227 | P238 | P938 | P365 | P365XL, HK45 | HK45 Compact | P2000 | P30 | P30L | P30SK | USP | USP Elite | USP Expert | USP Compact | VP9 | P7, P320 Competition Trigger System Installation, P-220, X-5 Internal Extractor Replacement. Similarly, I have been swept by a USPSA BBIWB from a starting position at 45 deg off the line of fire. Flat Comfort Pad (+$5.00) I bought my XL with a manual safety, it's positioned perfectly to disengage with your thumb on a draw imo. Ive done it before but it keeps coming back. 1.5 DCC Cant-able Clip (+$10.00), This holster has an integrated wedge already, Select an option IDPA does. Huh. That proprietary rail is a non-issue since a $50 rail adapter solves the problem elegantly and completely. no-homo man-crushes on a balding Russian autocrat. perfectly legal. Not a lot to some folks, but a record for me. Ive tried AIWB even with my standard 365. So if you don't have a WML or the ability to run one, you don't have to show up to the match. dysentery's effect on the monarchy of England, some point around the turn of the Millennium, Hovering robot billboards buzz highway traffic jams, might as well be dragging out JFK's peccadilloes, Contextual Handgun: The Armed Parent/Guardian, held in Brookville, Ohio the weekend after this. The one irksome issue is that it is literally impossible to find holster makers that will make holsters to accommodate that rail adapter. every base. I was sure to stand on the far side of this procedure. Competitors with WMLs could still participate but still use a handheld light like everybody else. Im considering grabbing another FS AIWB holster at this rate, this is the only way I'm able to carry my full size. Quite a few tier 4,3,2 matches here on the east coast run no light/ low light stages. It's fabulous as is out the box, unless for those who prefer the straight trigger, but that is an easy replacement. This holster is very similar to the Doulos, but with the addition of an integrated wedge. I think that was their answer. I have a couple USP 45 Experts, P30 v3 in .40, P30 v1 in 9, VP9, and a VP9sk LE.

Paste as plain text instead, Geez, IPSC was originally founded with one of the purposes being to test equipment and techniques that could benefit "practical shooters" of all kinds. 9mm, all metal. What holster was he using? SurvivalBlog: It's TEOTWAWKI, and I feel fine. I love the gun, shoots very well and has a decent trigger for a striker fired gun in my opinion. Sold my glock shortly after. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, Mini Red Dot Sights Quick Reference Cards (Rev 9), https://taudevgroup.myshopify.com/products/striker-control-device?variant=7815115309100. They are just a choice and built really well.

You can always convert your P365 to a manual safety version if that makes you feel more comfortable.

With the tungsten grip and weight it's a little heavy with 21 rounds in a full mag but it shoots well because of that. Carrying a gun with an empty chamber is like thinking you'll have time to put on your seat belt before the crash. I use these for competition but I have others in the past that moved on. I found a write up saying the gun was available either with bushing or cone but that write up did not say if bushing was available in all calibers, link below shows what appears to be 40 bushing. It also weighed 42.8 ounces. I foresee complaints about being forced to use a handheld light when you have a WML. Perhaps an emoji would have been appropriate. I didnt like the grip, and when I sent it to Sig for the recall, I hated the trigger. 4AM? My compact usp in .40 is still one of the best handguns I've ever fired. totally ahead of it's time when it came out and is definitely worth keeping for life. Same for the longer slide, weird looking model. Quality holsters, a good gun belt, these are the big factors. I get weak and it shows back up. Old, Retired. I've run the same gun in the same caliber at IDPA level 2 matches under the old rules, one of the guys that used to write for the IDPA magazine and who has won several matches shot an Eagle 9mm. I dreamed that Bobbi and I had moved to a '70s-vintage contemporary ranch in a subdivision in the Colorado mountains. I do prefer minor 40 over 9mm. This is the first time I've been gone long enough that re-acclimatization is a thing; it feels like I'm up and about at a reasonably bright and early 7:17AM, but instead it's after nine. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, True non-threaded barrel (California) - TiCN coated (same color as the TTI Combat Masters), Custom stippled and cerakoted X-Carry grip, Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. So when I want to carry one of these USPs, I need to remove that adapter. Still waiting on my new AIWB holster to arrive though. It's hilarious to me that AIWB isn't legal in IDPA. (It had changed a great deal, since my brain was fabricating a dream Buckhead/Lenox that was a sort of amalgam of mid-'90s Atlanta and Twenty-Teens Near Northside Indianapolis, cityscape-wise. I got rid of my USP elite, kept the compact. I'm also am an avid lifter but when I'm not at work I'm wearing some form of athletic clothing. investment. But yeah thanks. Well I sold my USP45 to buy a HK45.

None of the USPSA stuff really matters to IDPA. SASS has a 170 degree rule, so if you are even close to 180 you are well over the line. Enough oomph to drop poppers fast, pleasant to shoot, easy to control. AIWB carry is the current fashion; looks more like Belly Button IWB to me; and it gets you into the same situation as cross draw holsters in CAS. If youre unsure, choose the Modwing as its modular. Boomsticks. Locally, it was viewed as a cone style at a State match. Especially with a red dot and light. It only has as much power as you give it. I do believe calibers are the main thing that gets outdated, but if you can deal with a little more square grip or minor things your gun can be 30 years old and not make much difference. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); 2022 Concealed Carry Inc. All Rights Reserved. 1.5 RSC Clip By I normally carry AIWB with the xcompact so OWB is at the completely opposite side of the spectrum. Is that not a good thing? Definitely not. the whole USP line are pretty reliable and definitely a classic.

They let him slide, he was not a very good shooter anyhow. Returns, Refunds, Exchanges & Website Terms, Typical. Although there is an integrated wedge molded in, you can add the comfort pad to spread out the pressure and reduce movement. Besides the high bore axis, terrible reset on the trigger and then that rail. There was very little aftermarket support, so I dumped it. I like it better than the 9mm. Only on the hip and with a DA/SA chambered and ready. ), How many of them realized the juice wasn't worth the squeeze? Digital Fossils: From the Cambrian Explosion of silicon life. Sign up to see special offers, new products and services, product availability and training opportunities. Your understanding of AIWB, how it works, the drawstroke, etc. https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/pistols/sti-international-pistols/--sti-eagle-5-0--40s-w--pr39811-.cfm?gun_id=101069406. This precludes every gun I carry because I carry them all AIWB.

JavaScript is disabled. We've already been over that in this thread. It's your job to provide overwatch for the third platoon of the Mom's Basement militia, and if you can't cover their flanks with accurate sniper fire, they'll be overrun and turned into zombie merde. I split a table with a friend, as much for the people-watching as anything else. The old bull, heavy or coned language in the rule always made its use unclear. What you mostly get is a slight twist and little wiggle of the butt that seems to satisfy the RO. You can post now and register later. *That I know of. And Republican polling has found that Mr. Trump is at dire risk of losing Georgia, according to people briefed on the polls, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Im right handed so canting to the right pushes the grip towards the center of the body and the muzzle towards the outside of the body. Bobbi's working the weird shift again and that's got my sleepytimes all scrambled, too, since I try to stay awake at least until she wakes up, and then have to wake up to feed the cats at 0600. When they did, I picked up the x-compact grip. Virginia Indoor Regionals are half light and half no light, but thats all indoors. is, of course, from the same executive branch that spies on you like a Edit: even when its only an inch difference (lol). Couldn't have said it better myself. However much the FSB The club here will let you run basically anything at a level 1 as long as you're holster and mag pouches are where they're supposed to be. Its more comfortable configured that way than it was with no comp and a tlr7. I couldn't care less what aftermarket light or frame weight you have on there as long as it meets weight. You cannot paste images directly. There are absolutely low-light USPSA matches out there.

None, Enigma optimized (-$5.00) The one guy I asked about it, he just said, "It's setup the same way as it is as my carry gun." Pros and cons. Are you aware of, or familiar with, the H&K P30? Kind of like every other rule change that isn't thought out before it's cut loose. Looking to ccw my p320 FS for the interm as my xcompact is in the shop. FWIWI carry daily a comped P320 with optic and WML. IDPA was founded with the purpose of providing a competitive shooting discipline for "practical" equipment as well. Because USPSA doesn't do low light stages (at least on intentionally). This "Ahab" guy, he drowns everybody. I think there is another one like that up north that I've never been too. It may or may not make a difference to you, but GrayGuns makes/made a guiderod kit for the 4.7" slide. Social media greatly limits our ability to reach customers. I saw this early on, there was A Guy taking advantage of the Duty Gear provision. People that want to compete with their actual carry gear should not only be welcome to do so, but they should be encouraged. Romans 8:31. Holsters were supposed to be a problem, so I called my old friend Gordon Davis (RIP) and asked him to make me an "Avenger" style holster---he told me he had just made large run of Avenger style holsters to fit the full-size USP for the US Border Patrol---and would give me the two prototype holsters for the run---one brown---one black! Not a usual start but not never, either. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Kinda all nestled in there between the belly and crease of leg. 1.5 DCC Slotted Clip (+$10.00) It is a nice gem that is still on-roster. I carry a g17 (appendix) and a g19 (strongside). The muzzle is not breaking the 180 (or close to) any differently than drawing from strongside OWB/IWB especially with cant. Upload or insert images from URL. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I mean we still use 1911's which were originally designed in 1911. Its a goal believe me. Terms of Use - Privacy Policy - Affiliates - Weapons Policy, Supporting American Armed Citizens In Every Way, Be the first to review Phlster Classic IWB Holster. I think it's been five years since the last Indoor Nats; kinda hoping it comes back because I'd totally go. if you order for a G19 it comes G17 length, or for the P320 compact it comes as long as the full size. For me even in the winter when I go inside to a warmer areas my cover comes off so I have to conceal well with only a T shirt most times . Im able to with the xcompact as it sits pretty high but I cant imagine doing the same to a FS. It could have something to do with the fact that I spent a total of eight days on the road that month, three at the Citizens Defense Research class in Troy, OH and five at the Ruger event down at FTW Ranch. Seems like sharing perspectives makes things smoother sometimes. A short time later, sig released the x-compact (3.6" with compact grip.)

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